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和gbmmr“關(guān)于棉、菜粕在牛料中的使用”一文的商榷

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發(fā)表于 2009-2-8 08:54:38 | 只看該作者 回帖獎(jiǎng)勵(lì) |倒序?yàn)g覽 |閱讀模式
??吹疥P(guān)于牛料配方的問(wèn)題,覺(jué)得在原料使用方面有些心得,寫(xiě)出來(lái)給大家個(gè)思路,請(qǐng)諸君斧正。

進(jìn)入產(chǎn)奶期的奶牛瘤胃菌群穩(wěn)定,本質(zhì)上添加多少棉粕沒(méi)有限量,除非影響到整個(gè)日糧結(jié)構(gòu),比如只有棉粕,連玉米或者麥麩都沒(méi)有。

需要注意,棉粕不是直接給牛吃的,而是給瘤胃微生物吃的,微生物主要形成菌體蛋白,和棉粕本身有多少氨基酸或者氨基酸是否平衡也沒(méi)有本質(zhì)的關(guān)系,除非你認(rèn)為這些棉粕是過(guò)瘤胃的。

不論棉粕或者豆粕,都是微生物的良好的蛋白質(zhì)來(lái)源,甚至于尿素,他們都主要用于菌體蛋白或者纖毛蟲(chóng)形成的蛋白質(zhì),豆粕是否比棉粕更有優(yōu)勢(shì),不取決于豬的研究結(jié)果,盡管豆粕用于豬比棉粕好,單用時(shí)更多取決于他們?nèi)绾翁峁┑春土蛟矗褪堑虮取?br />
菜粕含有更高的硫蛋白,適當(dāng)?shù)呐浜喜似?,比單純的增加豆粕可能效果好的多?br />
不用擔(dān)心是否棉粕或者菜粕是否含有更高的毒素或者抗?fàn)I養(yǎng)因子,那沒(méi)有實(shí)際的意義,取決于他們是不是使瘤胃的細(xì)菌死掉了或者纖毛蟲(chóng)死掉了,他們多數(shù)都將被降解,能形成的危害可以忽略。

反而生的未經(jīng)熟化的大豆更有危害,尤其和尿素一起使用時(shí),會(huì)導(dǎo)致奶牛的尿素中毒,而棉粕和菜粕是不會(huì)的。

用牛的眼光看,不要用豬的眼光看,它們就有了合適的價(jià)值!


@@007: 偶的觀點(diǎn)

    在很大程度上我贊成上文作者gbmmr的觀點(diǎn)。
    但對(duì)反芻動(dòng)物來(lái)講,仍然存在蛋白質(zhì)質(zhì)量的問(wèn)題,而不單純是看這種原料能提供氮源的多少,否則我們只用尿素不就可以了嗎,還省很多錢(qián)。按照康奈爾凈碳水化合物和凈蛋白質(zhì)體系,蛋白按其在瘤胃中的降解速度分為A、B、C三部分:
                           A、快速降解蛋白,Kd(降解速率)認(rèn)為無(wú)窮大
                           B、潛在降解蛋白
                           C、不可降解蛋白

    這里牽涉到能氮降解平衡的問(wèn)題,當(dāng)能量和蛋白質(zhì)的降解相匹配時(shí),微生物增殖最快,效率最高。然而能量(碳水化合物)的降解往往滯后于蛋白質(zhì),所以我們?cè)谧瞿膛H占Z必須選擇合適降解速率的蛋白質(zhì)來(lái)配合能量的降解,而尿素純粹屬于快速降解蛋白,這也是尿素為何不能多用的原因之一。

   下面列幾種常見(jiàn)蛋白原料的蛋白質(zhì)組成:
原料
A
B
C
Kd
豆粕
8.7
91.3
0
2.4
菜粕
23.4
69.2
7.4
13.1
棉粕
25.6
55.5
18.9
6.8
亞麻粕
19.3
59.7
21
5.3
花生粕
61.7
36.6
1.7
16.1
DDGS
28.5
63.5
8
3.6


     從上表可以看出,豆粕蛋白中B組分最高,且Kd最小,所以對(duì)反芻動(dòng)物來(lái)講,豆粕仍然是最好的蛋白源,我們?cè)谧瞿膛H占Z是很少選用豆粕,那還是因?yàn)槌杀镜膯?wèn)題,而且我們不使用豆粕也可以做到瘤胃能氮平衡,從而使奶牛發(fā)揮好的生產(chǎn)性能。
    從上表還能看出,花生粕降解速度很快(Kd值很大),A組分含量也很高,所以做奶牛日糧時(shí)要慎重使用。高劑量使用花生粕短期有增奶效果,時(shí)間長(zhǎng)了,會(huì)使奶牛迅速消瘦。
   另外,甜菜粕和棕櫚粕的蛋白質(zhì)量對(duì)奶牛來(lái)說(shuō)也是非常好的,可以考慮在日糧中使用。
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發(fā)表于 2009-2-8 09:56:22 | 只看該作者
用牛的眼光看,不要用豬的眼光看,它們就有了合適的價(jià)值!
板凳
發(fā)表于 2009-2-8 10:20:56 | 只看該作者
很棒?。?!真正從營(yíng)養(yǎng)學(xué)的角度來(lái)解釋,高手!
地毯
發(fā)表于 2009-2-8 23:21:31 | 只看該作者
有沒(méi)有關(guān)于葵花粕應(yīng)用的資料啊 ?
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發(fā)表于 2009-2-9 01:32:38 | 只看該作者
1# yangzhaojun

在yahoo找了一篇Ørskov寫(xiě)的原文:
Use of the nylon bag technique for protein and energy evaluation and for rumen environment studies in ruminants
E R  Ørskov and W J Shand
International Feed Resource Unit, The Rowett Research Institute,
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, Aberdeen, AB21 9SB, UK

Abstract
The nylon bag technique is a very robust and powerful tool with which to study several aspects of nutrition in ruminants. It is particularly useful in describing degradation characteristics of protein and roughages and also for rumen environment studies. For each purpose a slightly different approach has to be used. This article explains how this is best achieved.

Key words: Rumen, nylon bag, digestibility, degradation characteristics, gas production
Introduction
We have been asked to write a small article relating to the nylon bag technique and interpretations of results. Complications sometimes occur as the technique is used for different purposes, namely protein evaluation, roughage evaluation and evaluation of rumen environments. We would like to treat each one in turn.

Protein evaluation
The dynamic nylon bag procedure was first developed to estimate degradability of protein and for this a formula was developed ( Ørskov and McDonald 1979)

p = a + b (1 - e-ct) (1)

where Ap@ is degradation at time At@ and Aa@,@b@ and Ac@ are constants and Ae@ is the basis of the natural logarithm. The equation was particularly useful since the constants had a biological meaning, Aa@ being the intercept or the immediately soluble fraction, Ab@ the insoluble but rumen degradable fraction, and Ac@ the rate at which the insoluble rumen degradable fraction is degraded. It follows that 100 - (a + b) is the total rumen undegraded fraction. Part of this fraction, depending on the protein source, will be degradable in the small intestine.

Figure 1: Loss of protein from nylon bags at intervals during 72 hours

Let us construct a situation (Figure 1) in which bags are withdrawn at intervals of 2, 4, 8, 16, 24, 48 and 72 hours and the protein disappearance values are 41.5, 49.6, 59.0, 69.5, 74.8, 75.6 and 75.8 then Aa@ = 32.1, Ab@ = 44.0 and Ac@ would be 0.1229 respectively and the residual standard deviation, 0.71. In other words the data fitted the formula well.

The next problem was that since protein supplements consist of small particles which are small enough to leave the rumen, these particles could escape the rumen so that two possibilities existed: an insoluble particle entering the rumen could be degraded, depending on the degradation rate Ac@ or it could flow out, depending on the outflow rate, here denoted as Ak@. In order to describe this we coined the word effective degradability AP@ representing that which was actually degraded in the rumen. This was expressed by:

P = a + b (c/(c + k)) (2)

It can be seen that as Ak@ or outflow rate increases AP@ will, of course, decrease. Let us for example use three values for Ak@ in the equation above namely 0.02, 0.05 and 0.08 which gives effective degradabilities of 69.9, 63.4 and 58.8, respectively.

It must be remembered that this formula should only be used when the feed consists of small particles. For long forage particles it is not applicable, since the time taken to reduce long to small particles by chewing, and microbial disintegration, is not taken into account and this is likely to vary between feeds. For protein supplements therefore it is quite simply the use of formulae 1 and 2.

Roughage evaluation
For several years the 48 hour degradability was used as an approximation to in vivo digestibility and for this it is still used. However, it has since been realised that some of the plant factors affecting consumption of roughages could also be identified by the dynamic nylon bag approach, namely the soluble, the insoluble and fermentable fractions, and the rate at which the insoluble material is fermented. However, here there is a complication which is not so apparent for protein supplements, namely a lag phase when microbes become attached to the fibrous material during which time there is no net disappearance of substrate. In fact, there may even be an increase in weight during the first 2-4 hours. On the other hand the soluble material will disappear rapidly.

There are different ways of dealing with this. In our laboratory we have chosen the following approach. Due to the lag phase, during which time there is no net disappearance of substrate, the Aa@ value in the equation (ie: the extrapolated value) could be negative. As an example, take the situation where samples are removed at 8, 24, 48, 72 and 96 hours after incubation and the typical disappearance values (%) for a roughage are 17.0, 42.1, 51.6, 55.3 and 56.2.

Applying the formula p = a + b (1 - e-ct) gives Aa@ = -7.9, Ab@ = 63.8, Ac@ = 0.0622. RSD = 0.94. Obviously, the solubility cannot be negative. This predicted negative value is due to the lag phase.
Solubility can be determined by different methods such as washing nylon bags, containing the substrate, without incubation in the rumen. This value is called AA@, the value for solubility determined in the laboratory. It is clear that (a + b) represents the asymptote (ie: the maximum potentially fementable material). It is then easy to appreciate that the asymptote (a + b), less the solubility AA@, represents the insoluble but fermentable material. This is called AB@ to distinguish it from Ab@ which is from the mathematical expression. Ac@ is the same as the rate constant generated from the equation. For roughage evaluation therefore the situation is:

A = solubility
B = (a + b) insoluble but fermentable
c = rate constant

From the previous example AA@ was 10.6% thus AB@ = (-7.9 + 63.8) -10.6 = 45.3 and Ac@ is 0.0622. In some trials, multiple regressions using AA@, AB@ and Ac@ have been closely related to feed intake, digestibility and animal performance but more information is required from trials in which both feed intake and degradation characteristics are determined for less conventional feeds such as the leaves from trees and shrubs.

Should incubation periods be different for roughages? Ideally the first bag should be withdrawn only after the lag phase is completed. It is advisable not to withdraw any bags from the rumen before 8 hours. It is essential also that the asymptote is well described (ie: the differences between the losses for the last incubation periods must be small, no more than about 5% of the final value), otherwise the asymptote will be extremely inaccurate and sometimes incubation periods of up to 120 hr are required.

In order to rank the intake potential of the feeds an index value has been derived from regression equations using AA@, AB@ and Ac@ as independent variables to predict intake. The index derived from a number of roughages was:

Index value = A + 0.4*B + 200*c.

These coefficients will be different for different groups of feeds. For cattle in Europe it seems that an index value of about 30 is needed to achieve maintenance energy intake.

The index value of the feed described previously is:

10.6 + 0.4*45.3 + 200*0.0622 = 41.1.
Evaluation of rumen environment
In the above examples it was assumed that the rumen environment was optimal. The substrate is varied and it is assumed that there is an optimal rumen environment. The nylon bag method can also be used to determine the optimal concentration of NH3, S or the optimal pH. In this case the approach is to vary the rumen environment but keep the incubated substrate constant. As standard substrates one can use ground straw, soya bean hulls or other uniform cellulosic substrate. Sometimes it is useful to wash the soluble material out of the substrate as this material will disappear, regardless of the rumen environment.

It must be understood that the rumen environment will not affect AA@ nor the asymptote but it will affect the time taken to reach the asymptote. In other words it is the Ac@ value that will be sensitive to the rumen environment.

The nylon bag technique is a very powerful and robust tool but it is important to understand the purpose for which it is to be used: for evaluating protein supplements or roughages, or for evaluating dietary effects on the rumen environment.

The gas production method
A complementary tool to the nylon bag method is the gas evaluation technique in which substrate is incubated in syringes and the gas produced is measured at intervals of time. The same equation as above [p = a + b (l - e-ct)] can be used and the gas produced at intervals can be used to evaluate feeds. Many comparisons of the two techniques have been published (see Blummel and  rskov 1993). The gas production method can also be used to evaluate antinutritive factors targetting microbes, in so far that complexing agents like polyethylene glycol (PEG) can be added to the substrate and the gas production with and without complexing agents can be used to measure the presence of microbial anti-nutritive factors.
References
Blummel M and Ørskov E R 1993 Comparison of in vitro gas production and nylon bag degradability of roughages in predicting feed intake in cattle. Animal Feed Science and Technology, 40: 109-119.
Makkar H P S, Blummel M and Becker K 1995 Formation of complexes between PVP or PEG and tannins, and their implication in gas production and true digestibility in in vitro techniques. British Journal of Nutrition, 79: 897-913.
Ørskov E R and McDonald I 1979 The estimation of protein degradability in the rumen from incubation measurements weighted according to rate of passage. Journal of Agricultural Science, Cambridge. 92: 499-503.

文中第一個(gè)公式的a指快速溶解部分,b指不溶解但在瘤胃可降解部分,c指不溶解但在瘤胃可降解部分的降解速率,p應(yīng)是某個(gè)培養(yǎng)時(shí)間的降解率。

文中第二個(gè)公式的k指外流速率,P指有效降解率。

粗飼料評(píng)定的ABC與第一個(gè)公式的相同。

對(duì)LZ列出的Kd,以前見(jiàn)過(guò),沒(méi)有查詢,不便評(píng)論。

原文提出“用牛的眼光看,不要用豬的眼光看,它們就有了合適的價(jià)值!”,根據(jù)文章的內(nèi)容,只能說(shuō)用低中產(chǎn)奶牛的眼光看,用棉菜粕替代全部或大部豆粕可能可行。但是用豬的眼光看更為可行,如果有無(wú)腺體棉粕或雙低菜粕,只需添加合成限制性氨基酸,肉豬生長(zhǎng)與豆粕日糧基本相同。如果是普通棉粕,添加亞鐵脫毒,然后添加合成限制性氨基酸;對(duì)于普通菜粕,只要脫毒,就能和棉粕一樣使用,用棉菜粕替代全部或大部豆粕飼喂肉豬可能可行。說(shuō)明一下,非瘤胃保護(hù)限制性氨基酸對(duì)奶牛產(chǎn)奶量沒(méi)有任何效果。

歡迎同行們?cè)u(píng)論?。?!

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發(fā)表于 2009-2-9 01:38:33 | 只看該作者
E R  Ørskov 不被識(shí)別,只好申明英文為E R Orskov。

呵呵?。?!
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 樓主| 發(fā)表于 2009-2-9 08:43:18 | 只看該作者
請(qǐng)參見(jiàn)NRC奶牛營(yíng)養(yǎng)需要,Kd是潛在降解組分B的降解速度,而Kp是外流速度。
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發(fā)表于 2009-2-9 10:18:38 | 只看該作者
在國(guó)內(nèi),采用亞硫酸鐵來(lái)脫毒理論是可行的,但是在生產(chǎn)中難以推廣使用,從國(guó)內(nèi)外相關(guān)研究進(jìn)展來(lái)看,當(dāng)前只有通過(guò)育種能降低棉酚的含量,但是從植物的天然防御特性來(lái)看,通過(guò)育種降低了棉酚,結(jié)果卻導(dǎo)致了一些對(duì)棉花生長(zhǎng)有害的害蟲(chóng)快速生長(zhǎng),使棉花的生產(chǎn)效益下降,所以這些低棉酚品種未能在全世界大面積推廣。如果全部采用未脫毒棉粕替代豆粕,結(jié)果會(huì)導(dǎo)致飼料消失率下降,導(dǎo)致瘤胃內(nèi)VFA總量降低,該方面可以參照國(guó)外相關(guān)文獻(xiàn)。
理論而言,瘤胃微生物有脫毒功能,但并非能對(duì)全部的棉酚降解,目前這種脫毒是由瘤胃微生物本身功能所致,還是因棉酚與瘤胃中游離蛋白結(jié)合所致,還有很大爭(zhēng)議。個(gè)人認(rèn)為,過(guò)多的棉酚仍可以影響反芻動(dòng)物的肝臟代謝與奶牛的繁殖性能,并通過(guò)影響瘤胃微生物生理與代謝來(lái)影響整體瘤胃發(fā)酵,進(jìn)而對(duì)宿主生理產(chǎn)生有害作用。所以建議在奶牛的飼料最好不要全部使用棉粕作為蛋白原料,而應(yīng)添加適量豆粕。這樣無(wú)論從動(dòng)物福利與動(dòng)物生產(chǎn)效益來(lái)看,對(duì)奶牛自身皆是有益的。
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發(fā)表于 2009-2-9 10:33:34 | 只看該作者
請(qǐng)參見(jiàn)NRC奶牛營(yíng)養(yǎng)需要,Kd是潛在降解組分B的降解速度,而Kp是外流速度。
yangzhaojun 發(fā)表于 2009-2-9 08:43


In the 2001 dairy NRC, feed protein supply is divided into two fractions: rumen degraded protein (RDP) and rumen undegraded protein (RUP). Rumen degraded protein supplies microbial needs. However, rumen microbes require non-protein N (ammonia, amino acids, peptides,) as “building blocks” of microbial protein (MCP). The extent of MCP synthesis in the rumen depends on a number of factors including level of feed intake, digestion rate (Kd) of diet components in the rumen, and passage rate (Kp) of digesta from the rumen. In the absence of a more reliable analytical method, the NRC subcommittee chose to use three fractions (A, B, C) derived indirectly from rumen incubation of in situ bags to derive RDP and RUP supplied by feed ingredients (kg/d):
RDP = A + B × [Kd/(Kd + Kp)]RUP = B × [Kp/(Kd + Kp)] + CWhere A is the amount (kg/d) of N presumably readily available to microbes, B is the amount of N that is available by degradation (at a rate = Kd) and C is the amount of N unavailable for microbial growth.

Kd指瘤胃內(nèi)日糧組分降解速率,Kp指瘤胃食糜外流速率,A指微生物可利用N的數(shù)量(kg/d),B指可降解N的數(shù)量,C指不能用于微生物生長(zhǎng)N的數(shù)量。

臨時(shí)筆譯,不知是否得當(dāng),望拍磚。

呵呵!!!
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 樓主| 發(fā)表于 2009-2-9 11:10:10 | 只看該作者
A是假定可以被微生物很容易地利用的N的數(shù)量。哈哈!是假定。
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